Marina Girls (San Francisco)

November 3, 2010 by  
Filed under Female Sexual Avatars, God of Style

Sexual Stereotype Profile: The Marina Girl

marina girl 40 days 40 nights

Location Union, Fillmore and Chestnut Street
Age Range The Marina Barbie: Blond, Skinny, High-end fashion, Young 20-30 yuppies with post graduate degrees from the east coast and other major universities. Occasionally the brunette with highlights, perky breasts, long legs and light makeupThe Maria Cougar: Same Marina Barbies, just older now and more experienced in hunting down young studs
Physical / Style Qualities Daytime: Tight Yoga Jeans and tight shirts to show off their toned bodies. Louis Vuitton bags and designer shadesNighttime: Classy attire and revealing dresses. Extremely high heels. Victoria’s Secret, Juicy Couture, Seven Jeans, Ugg Boots
Favorite Halloween Costume Princesses, because that’s what they wanted to be as little girlsPeacocks, because they loved to be looked at and feel like a special bitch
Natural Male Counterpart Marina Jock Guy / Ivy League Good Looking White Dude who also lives in the MarinaAKA Abercrombie Douchebag (from Hot chicks with Douchebags)
Personality Stereotypes
  • Marina Barbies are usually pretty nice if you have a general sense of style and they consider you somewhat around their class. By class I mean social class
  • They have a healthy, sometimes inflated sense of entitlement, generally naive and nice because people always treated them well as beautiful little girls and daddy’s little girls
  • High maintenance, wine and dine dating style. Rumor has it that some Marina girls are taken care of by older, rich San Francisco old money who pays for their expensive apartments and quality of life
  • Most Marina girls don’t work, or work in easy jobs like a receptionist, a retail store girl or other “eye candy” occupations that leverage her looks
  • Marina girls love dogs and puppies, yoga, fruit smoothies, walking, jogging, pilates, high end nail saloons and shopping at high end fashion brand stores
  • Considers extravagant waste and leisure an art form
How To Game
  • Get past the class discrimination with upscale, classy fashion sense. Proximity and logistics to close by Marina apartments helps. Game should be pretty tight although Marina girls are generally pretty nice rejecting guys because of their experience with it over the years.
  • Her disqualifying criteria will mostly be based on class and lifestyle (i.e. she’s not going to talk to a bum) so if you can get past this then it is standard pickup game.
  • For the hottest 9s and 10s, you will have to find a way to deal with AMOG Marina Frat/Jock guys and their social circle guy friends. Most of these guys are good looking but have limited game. However their physical presence can be intimidating and they are most often found in large groups. Barks louder than they bite.
Natural Enemy Hot Asian Girls, Mission Hippie Girls, South Bay Fatties, SF Fatties
Pop Culture Analogy Cameron Diaz in The Sweetest Thing (see video below)
Natural Habitat The Gavin Newsom Square (Matrix-Fillmore, Plumpjack Wine, Balboa Cafe, and Plumpjack Cafe)
Additional Notes
  • The Marina Safe-way market is also known as “Dateway”, given its high saturation of cougars
  • Big bitch glasses are common during summer
  • Jamba Juice makes lots of money here
  • Common dogs: labradors, poodles, pugs and tinkerbell (Paris Hilton)
  • “It is like LA in SF”
  • Asian girl hater: “Fucking Marina barbies and moms. They never worked a day in their life. Here they are with their tight ass yoga shorts showing off their asses. It’s not like they go to Yoga anyway. Does she have some other skills other than fucking her sugar daddy for a living?”
  • Marina girls are generally more educated than LA actor girls. Usually with a post-bachelor graduates from the east coast and major cities and comes from a wealthy family
  • You’ll find the occasional Asian girl mixed in with the white blondes. She’s usually one of the hotter Asian girls but acts like a Twinkie (Yellow on the outside, white on the inside)

Cameron Diaz in The Sweetest Thing:

Monet Mazur in 40 Days and 40 Nights


On Chestnut Street, Sunday

Additional Reading:

How Surfing is Like Pickup

August 28, 2010 by  
Filed under God of Style, Learn about Pickup

Surfing is a lot like picking up girls in the following ways:

  • When you first hit the water your body feels a natural rush. As the first wave hit you a combined sense of excitement and fear runs through your whole body.
  • There are many waves: some are better than the others, some are great waves that have much force and power, some waves are small and gentle. When you catch a great wave you feel like just conquered the world. And then there’s always the one that got away.
  • in order to get to where the waves break you have to go under the forceful ones and over the gentle ones. Sometimes you have  get around the obstacles to get to the riding point
  • You have to ride long and hard
  • You fear the big waves, just as you fear the challenges
  • Afterward, you feel a strong sense of accomplishment
  • You have to catch the right one so that it can take you as far as you can go
  • Sometimes ,there’s that beautiful wave that got away
  • After riding a few big waves, you learn how to handle it and the task becomes easier and easier.

Choosing your path in life

July 13, 2010 by  
Filed under God of Style, Learn about Pickup

There are many reasons why some dating coaches maintain the attrition rate of new students in the seduction community as 95% within a 6 month period. Read more

Mission Hipsters (San Francisco)

October 12, 2009 by  
Filed under Female Sexual Avatars, God of Style

Sexual Stereotype Profile: The Mission Hipster

hipster mission girls

Location The Mission, Haight & Ashbury St, Tenderloin
Age Range Usually young girls, occasionally the pretend young 30s hipster who’s too old to still be doing drugs and living in SF doing “art”.
Physical / Style Qualities -Daytime: Scarfs, weird layering and artsy colors. Long stockings. Hipster Glasses.-Nighttime: Scarfs, weird layering and artsy colors. Long stockings. Hipster Glasses.
Favorite Halloween Costume -Chucky, Dexter, the scarier the better.-Unlike Marina Girls, Mission Hipsters don’t care about being hot, just that their costume is authentic.
Natural Male Counterpart Mission Hipsters
Personality Stereotypes
  • Dresses badly, often times hides a nice body underneath
  • Tattoos are common, so is smoking weed. Values art over commerce. Prefers artistic suffering vs. superficial pleasures.
  • Usually low maintenance, and resourceful with money
  • Messy apartments in weird locations near SF’s homeless population
  • Usually has some sort of glasses or beanie to accessorize her outfit
How To Game
  • Identify with her cause, be it artistic or non-profit or art based.
  • Her disqualifying criteria will mostly be if you’re edgy enough and interesting enough for her curiosity.
  • For the hottest 9s and 10s, you will have to compete with other guy hipsters usually they just look the part but have little game. Some of them may have a slightly better collection of slang but that’s pretty much it. Hipster guys don’t fight as much as the marina douchebags.
Natural Enemy Marina Girls, Plastics, Preppy white girls, Rich Kids (Note: some hipsters are rich kids too, they just pretend not to be)
Pop Culture Analogy Shannyn Sossamon in 40 days and 40 nights (see pic below)
Natural Habitat Fillmore, The Mission district, anywhere near the park
Additional Notes
  • Missions girls are actually pretty cool for the most part, and easy to talk to
  • Most of them are bitches and are actually elitist, despite their claim that they are “more down and real than the plastics”
  • Some mission girls have mad style – they pull off amazing looks on a budget by understanding the nuances of layering and colors. Others are just all over the place
  • Usually sexually open and open to exploring

Mission Hipster Girls vs. Marina Girls


San Francisco. The city with the coldest summer in the world. Well known to most locals but unbeknownst to most visitors, the the San Francisco neighborhood has its own breed of females. These two tribes hate each other, and seem to have their own stereotypes of what types of guys they go for.

The Marina Girl

The first one is the notorious Marina Girl. The stereotypical Marina Girl hangs out with ex frat-boys. They are transplants from colleges all over the US that have since moved to the upscale neighborhood. Walking around the Marina on a Saturday night, I felt like I was at Toys R Us, in the Barbie section. There were all types. Brand-whore barbie, sports barbie running back from the gym, Legally Blonde barbie walking her chuwawa, and cougar barbie walking to a charity event with free drinks and an optional $10,000 donation.

sorority girls

In a well written definition from Urban Dictionary:

“The stereotypical Marina girl parties hard, shops casual yet high end fashions including Juicy Couture, Seven Jeans, Ugg Boots, and Banana Republic while never being employed in any tangible profession, other than receptionist, office manager, or booth babe. The Marina Girl maintains her high quality of life through a series of arrangements with older gentlemen in neighboring Pacific Heights. In recent years on weekends, Marina Girls tend to gravitate around the area dubbed by Herb Caen as the “Bermuda Triangle”: a collection of bars and restaurants on the corner of Fillmore and Greenwich streets. In recent times this area has become known as Gavin Newsom square with a collection of Newsom-owned businesses dominating the triangle. Mayor Newsom’s Matrix-Fillmore, Plumpjack Wine, Balboa Cafe, and Plumpjack Cafe are all Marina staples that dominate the landscape. During the week, the Marina Girl can be found looking for companionship at the popular Marina Safeway. When a Marina Girl turns 30, she is no longer known as a Marina Girl, but as a “Cougar”. A few places in the Marina with a high saturation of Cougars are Balboa Cafe, Cozmo’s, the California Wine Merchant, and the Marina Safeway (AKA DateWay).”

In PUA terms, the Marina girl represents the blondies of LA quite well.


  • There is always an abundance of sets in the Marina to approach. The best thing about these girls is that they are usually very nice and there is always a group of blonde girls that are down to fuck. You just have to find the right one. I personally think that rich girls from this type of background tend to be nicer, because they have always been treated nicely by other people
  • They usually have very good style and generally have a lot of money. Getting drinks from Marina girls is relatively easy
  • They are easy sets to open
  • If you can pull, usually has very clean and nice smelling bedroom with ridiculously high rent or rent control.


On the negative side,

  • There is a bit of race and class separation that inherently comes with this group of stereotypical girls. As a non-white person, if you let it get to you, it will. White people hate being called out on racism so as long as your frame comes from one of understanding and indifference, this shouldn’t be a big issue. There is more class separation than race, if you sit and ponder it.
  • The average “Marina Guy” is a tall, 6 foot ex-frat / jock boy who never made it big in sports, but is still relatively rich and now works at a startup in San Francisco post tech boom. Think Josh Heartnick in 40 days and 40 nights. The good news is that these guys usually have very lame game, because they have always depended on their frat social networks and their looks to get laid. A semi-competent PUA should have no problems here.

The Mission Hipster Girl

The Mission Hipster is a twenty-something self-proclaimed ‘artist,’ usually seen drinking Pabst Blue Ribbon at dive bars when not riding up and down Valencia on their track bike. They take pride in their relative poverty (though more than a few have wealthy families), working jobs as baristas or bike messengers. Their signature look includes a fauxhawk (male) or short bowl cut (female), aviator sunglasses, an ironic t-shirt, ripped jeans and Chuck Taylors. They can be found in great number at Slim’s or the Bottom of the Hill on any given weekend where they prefer the sounds of acoustic guitars played by troubled singer-songwriters and upbeat post-punk-pop. They often avoid the upper Mission on those same nights, complaining that it’s overrun by ‘slumming yuppies from the Marina.’

missionOn visiting the mission this weekend, we (some PUAs and me) found a strong dislike of anything Marina-related when out clubbing in the mission. I also found mission social circles to be more in tune. In other words, opening cold sets in the mission requires more congruence and game. The good news is that these mission girls, although not as “pretty” in the traditional sense of makeup, highend style and barbie-like hair, have character. Some are artists. Another girl I met was a fashion designer. Girls who study art at the Academy of Art San Francisco who play video games with their guy friends on weekdays and party hard on the weekends.

Mission Girl Pros

  • Into something other than themselves
  • Usually has some drugs or weed at least if you’re into that sort of thing
  • Has less makeup and a sense of natural beauty (less makeup, no implants, variety of fashionable styles)
  • Is down to earth and real once you get past bitch shield

Mission Girl Cons

  • In general, does not flaunt sexuality as much. Hard to spot physical 10s unless you look closely.
  • Can have high bitch shields if you are not part of the group
  • Has some weird hobby that you just don’t get and a cat at home
  • Lives in a small apartment with loud neighbors

I love both types of girls. I find the Marina girls more fuck-able and the Mission girls more interesting to talk to.

Is the Seduction Community becoming more maintstream?

October 19, 2008 by  
Filed under God of Style, Learn about Pickup

We often hear about students and aspiring PUAs complaining that the seduction community is becoming more mainstream, and that our methods no longer work once it is known to the general public.

There are a great many posts regarding this on the lair forums, among PUAs in the States and also all over the world. There seems to be 2 extremes of thought:

One one hand, showing the general public about MM (Mystery Method) will dilute the effectiveness of the routines, especially for newbies.

On the other, PUAs believe that this general awareness has nothing to do with game. Just like Bruce Lee made material arts famous worldwide, there is still a steep learning curve and those that are committed will travel that path regardless.

There is some general consensus, however, that public releases such as “The Game” by Strauss in 2004 and the premier of The Pickup Artist: Season 1 in August 06 of 2007 has create a general awareness of the game by the mainstream, even if only temporary. This also helps others who are searching for the Game to find it, as I did with Strauss’ book. A Google Trends analysis shows some interesting results:

Before August of 2007, the term “Pickup Artist” was a relatively secluded term on After the show’s airing, search patterns went up dramatically. It eventually lowers in Nov 2008, but at a slightly higher level than before is now maintained as the “consistent norm”. In this case, those that were originally looking and become devoted to the art probably benefited from the show’s airing, and was able to latch on to the community and its lifestyle. Meanwhile, the rest of the general public lost interest, as fads come and go.

A search for “fast seduction” shows a slowing trend

And a search for “seduction community” shows even lower searches.

It is for this reason that I believe that with The Pickup Artist, Season 2, a slow but sure incremental increase will occur for people searching for the pickup community, however general interest will wane again, as it did before in late 2007 after the show ends.